CLAN CARRUTHERS – THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS OUT THERE

Clan Carruthers Int Society CCIS

response to:

 

The Truth is Always Out There

 

Although we believe the information we have is factual, in an attempt to be fair and cover all bases and consider the ongoing claims regarding the College of Arms, and the communication and relationship that we the Clan Carruthers Int Society CCIS, have chosen to ask for further communication from the source.  For that reason we have written directly to the College of Arms in London, asking their advice.

 

Their response was:

The College of Arms would never grant a Clan Badge to anyone residing in the United States or Canada.   The College of Arms is a judiciary court system in London.   We do not have any powers in the United States and Canada, only with residents of the United Kingdom.

If the Lord Lyons wishes to hand out a clan badge or Coat of Arms from his office, it would be honorary, for they would not be registered within the offices of the United Kingdom.

The Forensic Biohistory program is still operational, and we enjoyed working with you and AXXXX SXXXX.

 

The Research Facts Further Conclude that:

 

The first Carruthers ( not spelled this way) to appear on the Peerage List was Simon Carruthers 4th Laird of Mouswald.   There have been more than 200 since, and Clan Carruthers Int Society CCIS will be proud to post them.

There is the British Armorials and later came Burkes General Armorial in 1880, both dealing with nobility on a genealogical bases only.

British Nobility, Barons, Gentrys of the United Kingdom is the list compiled only since 2013, based solely on DNA results.  We, Clan Carruthers Int Society CCIS were very fortunate to acquire this list in 2015. Only Carrothers and Carothers have tested correctly and are on this list.  One could summize that King James VI might have known they were related to royalty, and was one reason he tried to kill them all.

Clan Carruthers Society of Scotland , run by George Carruthers should be embarrassed for not knowing the difference between genealogical research and DNA findings.  They claim that the British Nobility , Barons and Gentry list is from Burkes peerage.  Cant be farther from the truth, and impossible.

There are few Carruthers who reside in Scotland who have a Coat of Arms, but there are many outside of Scotland who do have a Coat of Arms, because of the laws of Scotland regarding Scotland citizens and  the laws of other countries and their citizens are different.   Just like the laws and requirements for getting a drivers license are different wherever you live.

Clan Carruthers Society of Scotland (CCSI) should not constantly try to enforce the laws they must follow with the rest of the world, who have a totally different set of rules to follow.   That is like the people of Quebec Canada trying to enforce their laws on the people of Anchorage Alaska.

Shame on you Clan Carruthers Society of Scotland CCIS, in believe that people are that blind to the many un-truths that you state.

If you  have a problem with one person, take it up with  that one person, and stop looking ridiculous.

 

Original posting of Clan Carruthers Society of Scotland.

 

 

 

Added Responses

More history and facts to support that Clan Carruthers of Scotland CCSI, run by George de Pompus, are filtered and twisted.

 

Yes the truth is indeed always out there if one desires to seek it. Clan Carruthers Society of Scotland run by George de Pompus Carruthers and Dana Norton ,  should try to move into the next century.  All their works starts in the 1800’s.

This article bears further research in order to avoid the pitfalls of simply accepting the information as “facts”.
• The author of this article is absolutely correct in stating that our LLC clan badge would not be granted by the college of arm in Scotland because as a Canadina or US based LLC, the College of arms has no jurisdiction pertaining to granting or denying a clan badge in the US or Canada, so naturally awareness of our Clan Carruthers LLC in the US is a deliberately misleading point, thinking that most people are unintelligent.  So of course this office can not legally recognize a clan outside of the United Kingdom.  No more than the Prime Minister of Canada, can tell the citizens of England what to do and not do.
• As to the question of the Lord Lyon granting Arms to persons in Canada and the US, again the US is not under his jurisdiction.
• In regards to the statement that the Lord Lyon is a separate Heraldic Authority, you would be lead to believe that his rulings cannot be questioned. In actuality the Lord Lyons court is subject to higher entities, being an inferior court:
See:

 Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh v. the Royal College Physicians of Edinburgh
(1911 S.C. 1054)

Background

In 1901, Lord Balfour of Burleigh, secretary for Scotland, decided that on the occasion
of the presentation of address to Edward VII, precedence would be given
to the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh over the Royal
College of Surgeons of Edinburgh, and that this decision would be acted on till
disturbed by a higher authority.
In Feburary 1911 the RCP presented through the Secretary a petition to the King asking
for precedence over the RCS. Almost simultaneously, the RCS presented a
petition in the Court of Lyon King of Arms asking him to “find, “he has jurisdiction so
far as concerns a claim to a right of precedence” (and appending a note
reproduced in full in the source). The RCP appealed, and the case was
heard before the First Division of the Court of Session on May 18.
The source summarizes the arguments for the appellants (RCP): that in questions of
precedence there was no matter of legal right involved which could be
submitted for the determination of a Court of law; and in any event the Lyon King has
no jurisdiction to determine such a question. The respondents (RCS) replied
that questions of precedence were questions of legal right; and that
Lyon had jurisdiction to deal with them.
Advising took place on June 20, 1911, I quote in full the statements by the Lords.
See https://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/lyondocs.htm for the full text and final decision
[1059]
[…] At advising on 20th June 1911,—
Lord President.—This case originated by a petition presented in the Court of the Lord Lyon King of Arms by the Royal College of Surgeons, in which they ask for a decree
from the Lord Lyon decerning and declaring that the petitioners are entitled in all time
coming, on all public or ceremonial occasions, to precedency over the Royal College of
Physicians.
The case was before your Lordships before, and parties were allowed to amend the pleadings that they had made; and, accordingly, in the amended pleadings and the answers for the Royal College of Physicians, they plead that the Lord Lyon King of Arms has no jurisdiction to deal with the question raised in the petition. The Lyon King of Arms has pronounced an interlocutor that he has jurisdiction, and continuing the case for further procedure, and it is against that interlocutor that this appeal is before your Lordships.
•

On Nobility
• the group of people belonging to the noble class in a country, especially those with a hereditary or honorary title.

Royalty refers to the people who are members of the royal family. This includes the
king, the queen, the princes, and the princesses. Nobility, on the other hand, is also of
high breeding. … Nobles can loosely be defined as those who belong to the aristocratic
class in the society.

Baron. title of nobility, ranking below a viscount (or below a count in countries without
viscounts). In the feudal system of Europe, a baron was a “man” who pledged his
loyalty and service to his superior in return for land that he could pass to his
heirs.
Baron and Baroness
Baron is the 5th rank in the Peerage, following Duke, Marquess, Earl and Viscount.
Despite being the lowest rank, it is perhaps the oldest title. The rank was
introduced by William I to recognize those who had pledged their loyalty to
him under the feudal system. With this came the obligation to provide troops
and support for the army,and the right (and often obligation) to attend the King’s
Council They were charged with advising and supporting the King, and in
return received protection from outside forces. In the mid-1200s, Barons started
to be created by writ – personally summoned by the King based on their
accomplishments or character, and not merely because of their ownership of
land. By 1388, this was done via Letters Patent, and the once feudal claims to the title
had fully shifted from territorial to personal. Additional degrees of peerage
were soon added and they all become collectively known as the Peerage. The female
version of the title is Baroness.

Thomas, son of John Carruthers, received a grant of Mouswald from Robert Bruce.
(1320). Their estate stretched northward into the district of Wamphray, which they
shared with the Laird of Johnstone, and they were made Barons of Mouswald in
the 15th century. His grandson, brother of the 2nd Baron, 7th of Mouswald who was
Warden of the West March (1472) and died at the Battle of Kirtle (1484).
Sir Simon, 8th of Mouswald, 3rd Baron, was murdered in 1504, which passed the
Barony to his son, again a Simon, 9th of Mouswald. The Mouswald line survived
through to Simon 10th of Mouswald and 5th Baron but ended when he died on a border
raid in 1548.
The following is an excerpt from Burkes Peerage : (see last paragraph, right hand column)

• On the subject of Spelling of Carruthers/Carrothers pertaining to listings in family British Armorials, again further research yields more accurate information
See https://www.carothers-carruthers.com/nameorigin.htm
“”At the time that surnames came into gradual use in Scotland, i.e. during the 12th and
13th Centuries, the family living at Carruthers undoubtedly adopted it as its surname and accordingly the race to which the “first Carruthers” belonged, cannot be ascertained. It is interesting to notice that at a comparatively early date, the name is to be found in
England in the counties of Cumberland, Durham and Yorkshire. While in Scotland the
most common and usual spelling was Carruthers (with slight variations), in England it
became disguised as Carrothers, Carrodus and Cruddas (in Yorkshire), Croudace (in
Durham), &c., as in America where the spelling changed to Carothers, Caruthers,
Carrothers, Cruthers, etc. There were many other earlier and more confusing variations in the spelling. “

The Sketchy Dormont Line

• The Still Sketchy Dormont Line and the claim of Carruthers Arms being registered with
the Lord Lyon:
Surprisingly, it seems that some found it necessary to name enact a name change in order to apply for arms from the Lord Lyon in Scotland.  People who do not have a paternal line to  meet the requirements, paid to have the name Carruthers added to their Mitchell name.
See: HTTP://clancarrutherssociety.org/2019/10/05/clan-carruthers-mitchell-carruthers-holmains/
“We have the cadet line of Dormont, who matriculated off the Holmains line in 1913, and again, through the current recipient in 1993. In both cases they were granted with chevronelles and a border to indicate a cadet or junior branch of Holmains. During the initial stages of our research for a Chief, we assumed this line of the family was the senior, however this was to be proved incorrect as our findings were to show”.
• The apparent questionable rationale:.
▪ Therefore, moving on from Dormont, our research led us back to the House of Holmains and to the Sketchy and illegal Mitchell-Carruthers who are directly from that line. What is interesting about the Mitchell-Carruthers, is that when registering their arms they did not take the full arms of Holmains, which could have been thought was their right, but chose to incorporate them Holmains, albeit in the
senior position, on their quartered arms. Those arms show Holmains without difference in the first and fourth quarter. This indicates two things; Carruthers shows seniority over the Mitchells in their arms e.g. the dominant family, and also that they are of direct lineage from the Chiefly line of Holmains and not a cadet line e.g. ‘of’ the House of Holmains.”

• “Major Carruthers Wade died without issue in 1873 and the line of succession passed to his cousin, the Reverend

William Mitchell. He to changed his name by adding Carruthers to become the Reverend William Mitchell- Carruthers. Subsequently he too matriculated but with the Carruthers coat in the first and fourth and a newly devised Mitchell quartering in second and third. Reverend Mitchell-Carruthers also missed the mark as far as the chiefship would be regarded today”.

In summary, the questioned post by Clan Carruthers Society of Scotland CCSI, ( THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS OUT THERE) is ridiculously inaccurate and designed to mislead those who are interested in researching this ancient and honorable family. We would truly be remiss in not presenting the truth in an accurate and informative manner.

 

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Petitioning for a Coat of Arms

A person who wishes to use Arms must petition for a Grant of  Arms must reside in Scotland. If they can trace their ancestry back to an ancestor with the same name who had a grant of Arms in Scotland,– for a “matriculation” showing their place within the family. When a grant or matriculation is obtained, an illuminated parchment, narrating the pedigree as proved, is supplied to the Petitioner, and a recording is placed in the Public Register of All Arms and Bearings in Scotland.

Letters Patent & Extracts of Matriculation

Apart from the requirement that the petitioner should be, in terms of the Lyon King of Arms Act 1672, a “virtuous and well- deserving person”, in general the governing factor in the case of an original Grant of Arms is the domicile of the petitioner or the ownership of property in Scotland. Does the petitioner have a Scottish domicile of origin? If not, has he acquired a Scottish domicile of choice? In cases where the petitioner’s claim to fall within the jurisdiction of the Lord Lyon rests on the ownership of property the key question is whether the petitioner is able to reside on the land. A dwelling house of whatever size presents no problem, but the ownership of forestry land or “amenity” land on which there is no house and for which planning permission for a house would not be obtainable would not necessarily be sufficient to bring the owner into the Lord Lyon’s jurisdiction. The ownership of “souvenir” plots of land of a few square feet or thereby such as are marketed from time to time, is insufficient to bring anyone within the jurisdiction of the Lord Lyon King of Arm.

Where the petitioner is seeking to matriculate off a previous Grant of Arms he or she will have to prove his relationship to the original grantee and show that he comes within the destination of the original Grant of Arms. It does not matter where she or he is domiciled.

Those domiciled in England, Wales or Northern Ireland should approach the College of Arms in London, while those domiciled in the Republic of Ireland should approach the Chief Herald of Ireland in Dublin. Commonwealth citizens, in particular those of Scottish descent – save for Canada and South Africa which have their own heraldic authorities – can apply to the Lord Lyon King of Arms. Foreign Countries. It is not generally possible for non-British citizens to be granted Scottish Arms. It is sometimes possible for a cousin who is domiciled in Scotland to seek a Grant of Arms with a destination which includes the other descendants of a common ancestor, provided that ancestor had also been domiciled in Scotland. There are certain specific instances where Arms may be granted posthumously in the name of a non-British citizen

The Court of the Lord Lyon is a court of law, and applications for Arms are made by a formal “Petition”. This is done on the initiative of the person wishing to obtain Arms, who submits a Petition to the Lord Lyon stating who s/he is and asking for Arms to be granted to her/him. The process is not complicated. There are four main varieties of Petition:

Petition for a new Grant of Arms

Petition for a Grant of Arms to an Ancestor

Petition for a Matriculation of Arms

Petition for a Grant of Arms to a Company.

This information can be verified on the Lord Lyons official webpage

 

 

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Clan Carruthers LLc

Limited Liability Company

 

When we at Ancient and Honorable Carruthers Clan Society became an LLC we worked at length with an advocate who was assigned to us from the Office of the Lord Lyon. Because of that office’s limited jurisdiction which does not include the United States, we were very kindly referred to the Smithsonian Institute to become registered as a clan. (If you live in England you can contact the College of Arms, under which the Lord Lyons office operates).
Our next step was to become a Limited Liability Corporation in the US, which any clan in the US can also do. You can actually choose to form an LLC in any state, regardless of where you are based. Each state has different laws, so your best state to form an LLC may or may not be your home state. Some states offer financial and other advantages for LLC formation that can prove to be beneficial . Keep in mind that your officers must pass background checks, as with any legitimate business organization. You must:

Choose a Name for Your LLC. …
Appoint a Registered Agent. …
File Articles of Organization. …
Prepare an Operating Agreement. …
Comply With Other Tax and Regulatory Requirements. …
File Annual Renewals. …

After you do all of that, you are now a probationary company.
This information is all filed through the office of the Secretary of State in your chosen state and audited and reviewed annually.

This process had to be complete in order for out Coat of Arms to be recognized and used by every member of our Clan,   Many Clans are using Coat of Arms illegally, because their COA were presented to one person, and for personal use.

In order for us to have our clan gathering in London , Ontario we had to be registered. You cannot do business in Canada as an LLC without first registering with the Canadian Business authority. Major penalties and fines could follow unless proper registration is obtained.

When doing business in Canada, the first step is to verify the company’s ability to use its name in the chosen province and file the appropriate registration documents. This process is similar to, but not the same as, registering a company to do business in another U.S. state. Additionally, as is true of the states in the U.S., each province has its own quirks and requirements to register and maintain a company doing business there:
“ Rules Governing Corporate or Business Entity ”

https://www.cogencyglobal.com/…/registering-u-s-limited-lia…

In conclusion, please do not confuse the laws of clans in Scotland with those of the US. If you have doubts we can provide you with the name and email address of our legal advisor who is an International Attorney and a native Scot, who is also the attorney for many other Clans.

He has investigated this matter for over a year now and has stated that we as an LLC have done everything correctly, to the letter of the law .

Please feel free to contact us if you have questions.

 

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CLAN CARRUTHERS – THE GHOST OF MARION CARRUTHERS

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The Ghost of Marion Carruthers

11-30-41 to 10-17-1570

 

 

Simon Carruthers, 10^th Laird and 5^th Baron , eems to have been killed in July 1548, in a fight with the thieves dwelling in the Debatable Lands, for it is recorded that the thieves of the Scottish West March with the assistance of English thieves had slain the principal barons nearest adjacent to the Marches, including Lord Carlisle and the Lairds of Mouswald, Kirkmichael, Kirkconnell and Logan in Annandale and many other landed men.  Simon, only age 31 at his death, died without leaving male issue. On August 13 of the same year, Queen Mary granted to Sir James So of Drumlanrig the ward and marriage of Janet and Marion, the two daughters of the deceased Simon Carruthers.

Upon the sudden death of Simon, a lawsuit ensued between Sir James Douglas and the heir according to the entail  of the Charter of December 27, 1544, John Carruthers, Simon’s eldest brother. In this law suit Sir James was successful by bargaining for a sum of money with the heir; the entail was set aside and the two daughters of Simon became co-heiresses.

Sir James Douglas, having secured the ward and marriage of the two heiresses, obtained an order from the Lords of the Secret Council on April 20, 1550, relieving Lord Maxwell of his charge and commanding him to deliver it to Sir James Douglas during the time of ward. 

The late Simon Carruthers does not appear to have made up his title to certain of his lands, for on January 19, 1558, Janet Carruthers appeared in the Burgh Court of Edinburgh before the Stewards of Annandale as the elder granddaughter of Simon Carruthers of Mouswald who died in April, 1531, vested in the lands of Cumlonganwood, Dunnabie, Kirtlehouse and Carruthers.  Cumonganwood was held from Charles Murry  of Cockpool for a red rose yearly;  Dunnabie and Kirtlehouse from James, Earl of Bothwell, for a penny yearly;  and Carruthers from the same Earl for ward and relief. 

Sir James Douglas seems to have kept a tight hand on the two young girls, for on March 21, 1558, Charles Murray of Cockpool, Archibald Murray and Cuthbert Murray, their uncles, obtained letters from the Lords of Council commanding Sir James to produce Janet and Marion, who were stated to be “now past tuttorie and  14 years of age complete”, before the Lords of Council at Edinburgh, as he would not permit them liberty to visit their friends. 

In the year 1560,Janet Carruthers was married to Thomas Rorison of Bardannoch.  This marriage was soon turned to his advantage by Sir James Douglas, for he persuaded the Lady of Bardannoch to make over to him her half of the Barony of Mouswald for the services he had rendered to her.  The Contract which was dated March 14, 1560, proceeds on the lines that the lairdship of Mouswald lay in a very troublous country, and that there was little profit to be gained from the lands; that Sir James had got the entail to the Charter of December 27, 1544, set aside in favour of the two daughters at his own expense, and had made great payments in satisfying the late John Carruthers, the heir according to the entail, to the extent of £2,000Scots, of which Janet’s part was £1,000 Scots; that he had paid on her behalf whilst she was his ward £1,000 Scots and had sustained her in . . . “meit, drink and cleithing and other necessars” . . .; that he had found her a husband in Thomas Rorison of Bardannoch; that he would obtain her an  infeftment in conjunct fee in the £5 land of old extent of “Drumragane with the pertinents by and in the parochine of Glencairn ” and pay her dowry of 1,000  merks  to her husband and also sustain them and their servants for the space of two years.  One cannot help feeling that Sir James obtained far more than he gave, for the Mouswald estates were extensive, and though they undoubtedly lay in an exposed place, having regards to Border raids and warfare, yet they were valuable as is evidenced by the payments made to the Exchequer when Janet entered into her half-share of the baronial lands in June, 1561.  A Precept for a Charter of Confirmation of a Charter of Alienation (dated July 16, 1562), by Janet Carruthers, with consent of her husband, Thomas Rorison of Bardannoch, to Sir James Douglas of Drumlanrig, was obtained on January 8, 1562/3.  Thus Sir James obtained for himself and his heirs Janet’s half of the Mouswald estates. 

Comlongan Castle

 

Having disposed of Janet Carruthers to his advantage, Sir James now turned his attention to the younger daughter, Marion.  She seems to have had a stronger spirit and to have been less pliable than her elder sister, for she made a  valiant fight for her half of her ancestral estates.  On January 28, 1563, Marion and her uncle, Charles Murray, appeared before Queen Mary and the Lords of Secret Council, and sought permission for her to consult her friends in Edinburgh regarding the things required of her by the Council. The permission was granted and Charles Murray bound himself to present Marion before the Council again on January 30 next, undertaking that she should not get married or dispose of her lands in the meantime.  It is obvious that the ” thing” required of Marion was that she should marry the husband whom Sir James Douglas had found for her. It appears that Charles Murray, in order to protect Marion, had obtained letters requiring Sir James again to produce the two daughters of the deceased Simon Carruthers. He produced Marion, placing her under the Chancellor’s care, and declared that as Janet was only bound to her husband he could not produce her.  The following day, January 29, the whole of the proceedings against Sir James were suspended, when a letter from the Queen was produced requiring the Lords to abandon the action.  On the same day letters of restraint were raised by Sir James and therein is related that he had offered her a suitable husband whom she had absolutely refused;  further, that she intended to marry whom she pleased and also to dispose of her lands and goods.

Marion appears to have made up her mind not to marry the husband provided for her. Possibly she was in love with someone else, but the records do not explicitly tell of this. Sir James himself went to see her on the next day (January 30) and offered her in marriage to John, son and heir of James McMath of Dalpeddar, and required her to “compleit the said band of matrimonye with the said Johne McMath as effeirit oweir in the Kirk  of Borthick, whare … that sche was ordainit be the counsale to remove for the tyme or into any place where sche plesit upon the first day of Merche next to cum thaireftir, or uthir convenient day sche plesit to appoint and gif sche failzeit he protestit for the double avail of hir mariage while the said Marioun refusit to do, and declarit that sche wald not be at the said James’ byddin”. 

Two days later (February 1, 1563), Marion left Edinburgh and went to reside for a period of 40 days with the family of her kinsman, John, Lord Borthwick.  But, before being allowed to depart, both she an Lord Borthwick had to bind themselves under a penalty of  £2,000 that Marion would remain with him and not depart to Annandale or any other place and that after the period of forty days she should not depart until notice had been given thereof to the Queen and Council by Lord Borthwick.

At the end of the forty days, Marion seems to have been able to return to Annandale, for on March 13, 1563, to the Court of Lochmaben making up her part of the Barony of Mouswald as second daughter and one of the two heiresses of the late Simon Carruthers.  It is interesting to note from this record that Marion was 21 years of age on the feast of Saint Andrew last, which gives her date birth as November 30, 1541. 

In September Marion was evidently still as determined as ever not to marry the man chosen for her by her guardian for, on September 13, 1563, Thomas Borthwick of Pryncards and Michael Borthwick of Glengelt, became sureties, jointly and severally, for Marion Carruthers that she should not marry a traitor or other “Brokkin Man” of the country, nor join herself with any such person under a penalty of £1,000. 

Presumably in an endeavour to safeguard her estates, Marion attempted to dispose of her lands to her uncle, Charles Murray of Cockpool,and a Charter of Confirmation was granted by the Queen on June 24, 1564.  The lands mentioned are incomplete and others are different from those appearing in the charter of 1562 granted to Sir James Douglas so it seems that the list of the lands comprising her portion of the barony had been compiled from memory. Obviously, Sir James could not let this pass unchallenged and he immediately obtained Letters of Inhibition (February 16, 1565) contending that Marion could not legally dispose of her heritage without his consent in view of the gift of ward and marriage which had been obtained by him. 

The struggle still continued, but evidently Marion was beginning to realize that the case was hopeless as the law was against her. Whether in despair she committed suicide, or whether she was murdered, it is difficult to state.  Either way, she fell from the top of the tower of Comlongan Castle.  On October 17, 1570, King James VI granted an escheat  in favour of Sir Wllliam Douglas of Hawick. The deed narrates that the lands of Mouswald had fallen into the hands of the Crown through

“the said Marioun Carrutheris willfull slaying of hirself in leiping ovir the wall of the Castell touer and fortalice of Cullyngane, upon the twenty-five day of September last bipast, and thairthrow wilfullie breaking hir awin craig and banis where of sche deit”.

 The above record states that she committed suicide, but the traditions says that she was murdered, for she was found dead with strong suspicions of foul play. It also seems difficult to understand why she should take her life while residing with her uncle who, throughout her struggles to preserve her inheritance and her right to choose a husband, had so befriended her. 

 The Haunting

There are reports of seeing the apparition of a woman around the castle, often crying. The sounds of crying can sometimes be heard all throughout the castle. No grass ever grows on the spot where Carruther’s landed and died. It is roumerd that she may have been pushed of the Castle by Douglas or one of his men. However, this has never been proven.

Said to be the Ghost of Marion Carruthers

 

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David Etherington ( 1144 to June 17, 1219) and the Robin Hood Connection

 

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Robin Hood, aka David “Etherington” Dunkeld

Gaelic: Dabíd mac Eanric,

Prince David Etherington Dunkeld de Huntingdon

Knight Crusader

Lord of Brereton

8^th Earl of Huntington

8^th Earl of North Hampton

4^th Earl of Northumberland

9^th Earl of Dorcaster

Earl of Carlisle, Lennox and Cambridge

Prince of Scotland

Claimant to the Scottish throne

Inspiration for Robin Hood

 

David of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon

David of Scotland (Medieval Gaelic: Dabíd) (c. 1144 – 17 June 1219) was a Scottish prince and Earl of Huntingdon. He was a claimant to the Scottish throne.

He was the youngest surviving son of Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon and Ada de Warenne, a daughter of William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, and Elizabeth of Vermandois. His paternal grandfather was David I of Scotland. Huntingdon was granted to him after his elder brother William I of Scotland ascended the throne. David’s son John succeeded him to the earldom.

He married Matilda or Maud of Chester (1171 – 6 January 1233), daughter of Hugh de Kevelioc, 3rd Earl of Chester, Viscount d’Avranches, Seigneur de St. Sever & Briquessart and Bertrade de Montfort. He was almost thirty years Matilda’s senior. The marriage was recorded by Benedict of Peterborough.

In the litigation for succession to the crown of Scotland in 1290–1292, the great-great-grandson Floris V, Count of Holland of David’s sister, Ada, claimed that David had renounced his hereditary rights to the throne of Scotland. He therefore declared that his claim to the throne had priority over David’s descendants. However, no explanation or firm evidence for the supposed renunciation could be provided.

After the extinction of the senior line of the Scottish royal house in 1290, when the legitimate line of William the Lion of Scotland ended, David’s descendants were the prime candidates for the throne. The two most notable claimants to the throne, Robert Bruce, 5th Lord of Annandale (grandfather of King Robert I of Scotland) and John of Scotland were his descendants through David’s daughters Isobel and Margaret, respectively.

David, 9th Earl of Huntingdon died on 17 June 1219 at Yardley, Northamptonshire, England; He was buried at Sawtry Abbey, Huntingdonshire.

The Robin Hood Connection

Many historians believe that David is the true inspiration for the Robin Hood legend because the legend plays at the same time as David lived in the 1190s. Another similarity is the Earl of Huntingdon question, because a historian names Robin Hood as a possible Earl of that area. Also both had taken part in the Third Crusade and by 1194 David had taken part at the siege of Nottingham Castle where the High Sheriff of Nottinghamshire and Derby County was taken captive. His son Robert who died young was also a possible inspiration for Robin Hood. David of Scotland pictured in Sir Walter Scott’s 1832 crusader novel The Talisman as a Prince of Scotland as a crusader in the Third Crusade. Although emphasizing his own story is fiction, Scott’s Introduction states that David did go on crusade with Richard the Lionheart “and was the hero of some very romantic adventures on his way home”. Interestingly the name Matilida (of Chester) is also translated as Mary or Marian.

David and Matilda had seven children:

• Margaret of Huntingdon (c. 1194 – c. 1228), married Alan, Lord of Galloway, by whom she had two daughters, including Dervorguilla of Galloway.

• Robert of Huntingdon (died young)

• Ada of Huntingdon, married Sir Henry de Hastings, by whom she had one son, Henry de Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings.

• Matilda (Maud) of Huntingdon (-aft.1219, unmarried)

• Isobel of Huntingdon (1199–1251), married Robert Bruce, 4th Lord of Annandale, by whom she had two sons, including Robert de Brus, 5th Lord of Annandale.

• John of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon (1207 – 6 June 1237), married Elen ferch Llywelyn. He succeeded his uncle Ranulf as Earl of Chester in 1232, but died childless.

• Henry of Huntingdon (died young)[2][3]

Earl David also had three known illegitimate children:

• Henry of Stirling

• Henry of Brechin d. bef 30 Aug 1245

• Ada, married Malise, son of Ferchar, Earl of Strathearn

More about David and Matilda’s seven children:

Margaret of Huntingdon (c. 1194 – c. 1228), married Alan, Lord of Galloway, by whom she had two daughters, including Dervorguilla of Galloway. Robert of Huntingdon (died young) Ada of Huntingdon, married Sir Henry de Hastings, by whom she had one son, Henry de Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings. Matilda (Maud) of Huntingdon (-aft.1219, unmarried) Isobel of Huntingdon (1199–1251), married firstly, Henry De Percy and had issue and secondly, Robert Bruce, 4th Lord of Annandale, by whom she had two sons, including Robert de Brus, 5th Lord of Annandale. John of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon (1207 – 6 June 1237), married Elen ferch Llywelyn. He succeeded his uncle Ranulf as Earl of Chester in 1232, but died childless. Henry of Huntingdon (died young)[2][3] Earl David also had three illegitimate children:[4]

Henry of Stirling Henry of Brechin Ada, married Malise, son of Ferchar, Earl of Strathearn After the extinction of the senior line of the Scottish royal house in 1290, when the legitimate line of William the Lion of Scotland ended, David’s descendants were the prime candidates for the throne. The two most notable claimants to the throne, Robert Bruce, 5th Lord of Annandale (grandfather of King Robert I of Scotland) and John of Scotland were his descendants through David’s daughters Isobel and Margaret, respectively.

The Mighty Oak of Sherwood Forest

 

In January of 2019 through continued research and after the completion of the original Carruthers DNA project, we were extremely fortunate to receive additional information through forensic DNA testing. The findings revealed that the following women also carried the Carruthers genome, CTS 11603:

Lady Isovel Mac Crinan  1185-1251 m. to Robert de Brus

Mary Bruce 1282-1323

Christine Bruce 1278-1356/57

Margaret Carrick 1256-1292

Marjorie Bruce 1296-1316

Marjorie C Charteris 1317-1348

Lady Isovel de Huntington 1193—1252

Elizabeth de Burg  1284-1327

 

 

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CLAN CARRUTHERS- CARRUTHERS AND THE JACOBITE REBELLION 1745-1746

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CARRUTHERS AND THE JACOBITE REBELLION

1745-1746

The Rebellion

The 1715 and 1745 insurrections were certainly not an attempt to put Prince Charles Edward Stewart on the throne of the United Kingdom of Scotland, England and (at that time)Ireland. His father styled James VIII of Scotland and III of England was still alive. Charles Edward Stewart was fighting for his father throne, although it could be argued, ultimately his own.

Culloden Monument

The Scottish Highland clans were not continuously at war with one another. Of course in many cases, as in all families, there were disputes, mainly about land and cattle. On the whole however, if one compares the “family problems” in other parts of Europe we find that the Scottish Highlands were relatively peaceful over three hundred years. The greatest battle ever fought on the British Isles was not between Scottish clans or even in Scotland for that matter. The “clan” battle between the English families if York and Lancaster left 20,000 dead on the field of Towton .

 William Augustus, the Duke of Cumberland (1721 – 1765) leads the British army across the  River Spey before the Battle of Culloden in Scotland, 16th April 1746. The battle resulted in a British victory over the Jacobites, who hoped to place Bonnie Prince Charlie on the throne.

The “religious wars” of the 17th century were not confined to Scotland. In fact Scottish troops were sent by James VI of Scotland to Sweden, to assist Gustavus Adolphus in his wars against the Holy Roman Emperor. This was the infamous “thirty years war” that devastated northern Europe. In Scotland the campaigns of James Graham, Viscount Dundee (a protestant) against the Lords of the Convention(more protestants) was in comparison, nothing more than a skirmish .

Furthermore the religious wars in Scotland were not as popularly believed between Protestant and Catholic. By the beginning of the 18th century the Reformation was almost complete and the Catholic population of Scotland was miniscule. The only northern clans who retained the “old faith” were the Gordons of Huntly, the Macdonell’s of Clanranald and the Grants of Invermoriston. The rest were mainly episcopalian (those in communion with the See of Canterbury) They were not however, members of the Anglican church but the Episcopal church of Scotland.
The highland clans did not support James VIII because he was a Roman Catholic but because he was a Stewart and they had reservations about the legitimacy of the Hanovarian succession. The Lowlands of Scotland were largely Presbyterian which had nothing to do with austerity or poverty but because John Knox was anti-episcopal(bishops in the church)and was a firm believer in the democracy of the presbyterian.

 

 

The William Carruthers who was a staunch “Jacobite” was the younger brother of Robert, Laird of Rammerscales. There is strong evidence that after the Jacobite insurrection of 1745 he was forfieted and settled in North Carolina. Incidently although a Jacobite he was a Presbyterian.

More detailed information on the Jacobite supporters within the wider Carruthers families of the 18th century shows that it is only the family of Rammerscales, a scion of the House of Holemains, that were recorded as Jacobite sympathizers. In particular Robert Carruthers 4th of Rammerscales who married Penelope Sharp and had 2 recorded children, His younger brother William Carruthers, a physician, who married 1708, Margaret Hay, daughter of John Hay, an apothecary, had 6 recorded children. This Margaret Hay came from a family with impeccable Jacobite ancestry. The Book of the MacLennans noted: -“Jean Law, daughter of William Law of Laurieston and Jean Campbell married Mr John Hay of Letham; their daughter Margaret, married Dr William Carruthers of Dumfries and Edinburgh”. It will be noted the Hays’ and Law of Laurieston were long standing supporters of the Stewart cause. Indeed after the Insurrection of 1745, Law of Laurieston fled to France where his grandson Alexandre Jacques Bernard Law; Marquis de Laurieston was Napoleons comrade in Artillery school and was later created a Field Marshal of France in Napoleon’s army.

The Carruthers family of Rammerscales did not fare so well for their loyalty to the Stewart cause. According to the “Records of the Carruthers Family”, Robert Carruthers 4th of Rammerscales declared for the Stewart cause in the first insurrection of 1715 and was again “out” in 1745.It is interesting to note that his “crime” in 1715 was that on the day of the Lochmaben races Robert, along with other landowners drank a toast to James VIII.Of his brother William there is more specific evidence. On the 12th October 1715, the Jail Bond book of Dumfries recorded “ William Carruthers, surgeon and William Nairn, servant to Viscount Kenmure had been put in prison and thereafter liberated in exchange of prisoners”.

On the 21st February 1781 an action of poinding was raised in the Court of Session Edinburgh, by all the elder siblings of Robert Carruthers, a surgeon on HMS Windsor who was the youngest son of William Carruthers and Margaret Hay. This action clearly illustrates that the movable estate had been awarded to Robert, no doubt as an award to his loyalty to the Hanoverian succession. This action is of particular interest to American cousins as his eldest brother James and cousin Robert are recorded as being of North Carolina.

It has been said that the William Carruthers  was allegedly a “deserter” at Culloden but there is no doubt that Robert 4th of Rammerscales and his brother William were certainly in excess of 50 years of age in 1746 and therefore unlikely to have been combatants in the Jacobite army. There was however, a grandson of William also called William but his birth date was at the earliest 1731 and therefore would have been only 15 years old at the time of the battle. Not impossible but improbable for with the possible exception of the “Garde Ecossais” there was no Lowland regiment in the Jacobite army.

 

 

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James VI: Translation 1587, 8 July, Edinburgh, Parliament Parliamentary Register 29 July 1587

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The largely forced departure from the Highlands is widely known about and understood as ‘The Clearances’, much less is known about emigration from the South of Scotland which has been going on since about 1600. In the Highlands , we know that many of the landowners (often clan chiefs) chose to evict their tenants so that sheep could make more money for them. In the Borders and Dumfries and Galloway, there were many different reasons for departure and it happened over more than 300 years.

After 1603, the Border crackdown by King James VI & I meant that many former reivers were forced to leave hurriedly for the Ulster plantation to avoid possible execution. Many of their descendants chose to emigrate to the United States or Canada in the 18th century. Military service often gave Borderers a taste of life and opportunities in other parts of the world .

 

James VI: Translation 1587, 8 July, Edinburgh, Parliament Parliamentary Register 29 July 1587

For the quieting and keeping in obedience of the disordered subjects, inhabitants of the borders, highlands and isles

²Our sovereign lord and his three estates convened in this present parliament, considering the wicked inclination of the disordered subjects, inhabitants in some parts of the borders adjacent to England and in the highlands and isles, delighting in all mischiefs and most unnaturally and cruelly wasting, slaying, harrying and destroying their own neighbours and native country people, taking occasion of the least trouble that may occur in the inner parts of the realm when they think that care and thought of the repressing of their insolence is in any way forgotten, to renew their most barbarous cruelties and godless oppressions; for remedy whereof, in addition to and beside the lovable laws and constitutions already made in this behalf, which our sovereign lord, with advice of his three estates, ratifies and approves by this act, it is statute and ordained that the first day of every month in the year, if it be lawful, and failing thereof the next lawful day immediately following, shall be a special and pre-empted [diet]³ for his privy council to convene and sit both in the forenoon and afternoon for receiving, hearing, answering and directing of all complaints, causes and matters concerning the misrule of the disordered and troublesome subjects, inhabitants [of]⁴ the highlands and borders, and attempts committed by them upon the good and peaceable subjects in the in-country, without prejudice of other and more diets to be appointed for the same effect if the occasion so require; and specially that upon the said first day of every month, or other next lawful day, trial and inquisition to be taken of the diligence done in the execution of things directed the month preceding and of the things necessary and expedient to be put in execution during the next month to come thereafter; and that a particular register be kept by the self of all things that shall happen to be done and directed in matters concerning the quietness and good rule of the borders and highlands.

That all landlords and bailies of the lands on the borders and in the highlands where broken men have dwelt or presently dwell, contained in a roll inserted in the end of this present act, shall be charged to find sufficient caution and surety, landed men in the in-country to the contentment of our sovereign lord and his privy council between now and 1 October 1587 or within 15 days after the charge upon conditions following, under the pain of rebellion, and if they fail, the said day being past, to put them to the horn: that is to say, if any of their men, tenants, servants and indwellers upon their lands, rooms, steadings and possessions or within their bailiaries commit any masterful reiving, theft or reset of theft, depredations open and avowed, fire-raising upon deadly feuds protected and maintained by their masters, that the landlords and bailies upon whose lands and in whose jurisdiction they dwell shall bring and present the persons complained upon before [Archibald Campbell, earl of Argyll], our sovereign lord’s justice, or his deputes, to abide trial and underlie the law for the same, upon 15 days’ warning to be made to them lawfully; and failing thereof, that the said landlords and bailies be indebted to satisfy the party harmed and to refund, content and pay to them their herships and hurts of their own proper goods and lands according to the value and quantity taken from the complainers, which shall be modified by oath of the party hurt, either before the lords of council and session or the justice or his deputes, whereupon execution shall pass both against the principals and sureties in the appropriate form; providing always that the landlords who have their lands lying in far highlands or borders, they making residence themselves in the inlands, and their tenants and inhabitants of their lands being of clans or dependants on chieftains and captains on the clans, whom the landlords are in no way able to command but only get their mails off them and no other service nor obedience, shall in no way be subjected to this act but in manner following, namely, they shall be held to direct their precepts of warning, obtain decreets against their tenants and denounce them to the horn and immediately after their denunciation that the said landlords raise letters by deliverance of the secret council and charge the chieftains and captains of the clans on whom their tenants depend and obey to take and apprehend the disobedient tenants and present them to the justice under the pain of rebellion; and in case the chieftains disobey, to cause denounce them to the horn, register the same and report the letters of horning, duly executed, endorsed and registered, to the secret council within the space of 40 days thereafter; wherein if the said landlords fail, they shall be subject to the former condition of this act. As also, in case the said landlords at any time hereafter rent or set tacks to any of the said disobedient highlanders or borderers in any their lands and omits to take sufficient caution for them, that they shall be answerable and obedient to our sovereign lord’s laws, and specially that they shall obey and comply with the whole contents and effect of this present act. And that the said landlords and bailies concur, fortify and assist others in removing of all persons disobedient to the laws or fugitive therefrom out of their lands, rooms and possessions; and in case any refuse to concur to the effect aforesaid, being duly and lawfully required, in that case it shall be lawful to pursue the person refusing and his cautioner for redress of the damage sustained by the party hurt and the landlords and bailies of the disobedient person to have their relief of the persons refusing. And in case any person, landlord or bailie, receive or reset any person fugitive after the committing of the crime upon their lands, or stays or arrests them not whenever they pass through their bounds with any true men’s goods reived or stolen, if the same comes in any way to their knowledge, or that it be tried that they might have stayed or withstood the said reives and oppressions (which knowledge and power of the overlords shall be tried by an assize), the masters, landlords or bailies, resetters of the offenders, or not staying and arresting them passing through their bounds as said is, shall be held to bring and present the persons, offenders, to the laws in manner aforesaid, or else to pay and redress the parties harmed in manner above-written. And where the owners of the reived or stolen goods follows not, the stayers and arresters of the persons and goods passing through their lands shall be held to make certification by publication at the market cross of the head burgh of the shire, that the party having interest being thereby advertised may challenge their own goods in six days’ space, otherwise the stayers and arresters of the goods shall not be answerable thereof.

Item, although some of the lords of the ground never used [to]⁵ make residence in the parts through the which thieves resort in their passing to steal and reive and return from there, yet shall they be bound by their bailies and tenants to make the arrestments and stay and make publication of the same, if it be in their power or comes to their knowledge, or otherwise to be held and obliged for redress as if they dwelt upon the lands themselves. And that the chief of the clan in the bounds where broken men dwell, through the which villains and broken men repair in their passing to steal and reive or returning from there, shall be bound to make the like stay, arrestment and publication as the landlords or bailies and be subject to the like redress and action, criminal and civil, in case of their failure or negligence. And because sundry immediate tenants to our sovereign lord have conveyed their lands to others held of themselves, in that case it shall be sufficient for the overlord to enter and present his tenant and vassal for answering for his subtenant and the landlord to have his relief upon his tenants thereupon as appropriate.

Moreover, and beside the aforesaid order devised against the landlords and bailies on whose lands and in whose jurisdictions the thieves, sorners and broken men dwell and remain, it is also statute and ordained that the captains, chiefs and chieftains of all clans, as well on the highlands as on the borders, and the principals of the branches of the said clans to be specially noted at the end of this present act, which clans dwell upon the lands of diverse landlords and depend upon the directions of the said captains, chiefs and chieftains (by pretence of blood or place of their dwelling), although against the will often times of the lord of the ground, be charged in manner and under the pain above-written to enter such persons’ pledges as shall be nominated by the king’s majesty’s letters to be directed to them, upon 15 days’ warning, before his highness and his secret council at the days to be appointed, to be placed as his highness shall think convenient for keeping of good rule in time coming, according to the conditions above-written, whereunto the landlords and bailies are subject under the pain of execution of the said pledges to the death, in case of transgression and non-redress made by the persons, offenders, for whom the said pledges lie; and that the said pledges shall be relieved quarterly with others of the same clan or branch to be specially named as soon as may be after the beginning of this order, and that the said pledges shall be kept in the king’s straight ward upon their own expenses until the principals of the clan or branches find sufficient and responsible sureties, acted in the books of secret council, that the pledges entered shall keep true ward until they be freed and relieved orderly and yet the persons with whom they shall happen to be placed to remain shall in no way give their licence or liberty to the said pledges to depart or pass home under the pain of �2,000 to be paid by every nobleman, baron or gentleman that grant any such licence; which caution being once found, the said pledges shall be placed to remain with noblemen and barons in free ward, uncharged with the burden of their own expenses; and all clans, chieftains and branches of clans refusing to enter their pledges at the day and in manner contained in the charge to be directed to that effect to be esteemed public enemies to God, the king and all his true and faithful subjects, and to be pursued with fire and sword wherever they may be apprehended, without crime, pain or danger to be incurred by the doers through that. And that account be taken once in the year at 1 November what persons pledged for are dead and what young men sprung up in their race and clan able to offend; and where complaint is made upon any person pledged for, the principal of the clan or branch to be charged to present the offender before the king or his council, or before the justice and his deputes, to underlie the law for the same; and in case of failure of the presenting of the person or persons complained upon, the pledge lying for the said person to be executed by justice and the principal of the clan or branch to be pressed to enter a new pledge and to be still debtor to the party grieved for his hurt sustained.

item,that all such notorious thieves as were born in Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Annandale and the lands sometimes called debatable, or in the lands of the highlands that has long continued disobedient, shall be removed out of the inlands where they are planted and presently dwell or frequent to the parts where they were born, unless their landlords where they presently dwell will become sureties for them to make them answerable to the law as the lowland and obedient men under the pains contained in the acts of parliament.

Item, it is statute and ordained for furthering of the quieting of the disobedient borders and highlands that a book be made containing the names of pledges entered and to be entered for good rule, and of the whole persons for whom they lie, and by whom the pledges should be relieved; as also that a register be made of the whole parishes of the lands inhabited by thieves and disobedient persons in the highlands and borders, the names of the landlords and towns in every parish and of the whole men, inhabitants thereof, passed the age of 16 years, who are landlords or bailies of every land or town or of what clan branch the said inhabitants are; and that the name of any person that is entered on the broken lands after the removing of any other disobedient person from there be sent to the keeper of the said register within 12 days next after his first entry.

Because after all diligence done, as well against the landlords and bailies as against the chieftains and principals of clans, there will be a number of vagabonds unpledged or answered for by their landlords or bailies, it is statute and ordained that letters shall be directed charging all such vagabonds and unanswerable men by open proclamation at the market cross of the head burgh of the shire where they frequent, or head burghs of the two next shires in the lowlands (where there is clearly not safe access), to find surety to underlie the law the third day of the next justice ayre or sooner, on 15 days’ warning, under the pains contained in the acts of parliament; and in case they find not surety within six days and enter not themselves under pledging, to be denounced rebels and fugitives, and they and their resetters to be pursued thereafter until they be apprehended and punished for their demerits; and that the parties harmed have competent action, civil or criminal, against the magistrates or others within whose bounds, jurisdiction or power such vagabonds and fugitives are wittingly reset with the goods stolen or reived in their passing, remaining or returning.

Item, it is declared, statute and ordained that all bonds, acts and obligations made or to be made by whatsoever persons for whatsoever broken men, pledges or otherwise received for the good rule and quietness of the borders and highlands, or anything depending thereupon, shall be extended against the heirs and successors of their sureties and cautioners, although special mention be not made in the acts that they obliged themselves, their heirs and successors.

Item, it is declared, statute and ordained that the surety made by the landlords and bailies shall not be prejudicial nor stop the surety made by the chieftains and principals of clans, nor by the contrary the surety made by them to the landlords and bailies.

Item, it is statute and ordained that [Sir Lewis Bellenden of Auchnoull], justice clerk, assisted by [Thomas Lyon of Baldukie], treasurer, and [Alexander Hay of Easter Kennet], clerk register, shall be special rememberers of the causes concerning the highlands and borders, and shall be answerable for the dispatch and diligence of the direction of things pertaining thereto.

Item, it is statute and ordained that whenever any plundering, oppressions, reives, sornings and thefts shall happen to be committed within any part of this realm, in the highlands or borders thereof, by any captain of clan or by any other clansman against any of our sovereign lord’s loyal and true subjects in time coming, and the goods so taken up transported to any other clansmen’s bounds, received and maintained therein, or disposed upon, and the same come to the knowledge of the party harmed and damnified, ordains him first to require or cause require redress thereof, that the chief of the clan or chieftain of the country wherein the said goods shall be reset or remain for the space of 12 hours of his witting, to make redress and restitution of the same goods within 15 days after he be required thereto; wherein if he fails, it shall be lawful to the party harmed to call, convene and pursue the chief, captain, superiors and principals of that clan within whose bounds the goods and gear so taken shall be reset and distributed and under their protection maintained before the judge ordinary, criminally or civilly, and upon sufficient proof to be led by the party harmed that the goods were sold or disposed upon within such bounds by the witting and knowledge of the said chief, captain or superiors and principals of the clan, they being of power to have resisted the same, they to be answerable for the same goods and decreet to be given against them, with the profits thereof, likewise and in the same manner as might or should have been given against the persons, committers of the deed themselves, and executorials to pass thereupon in the appropriate form. And also, if it shall happen the party harmed by the persons, committers of such enormities, to follow and pursue his own goods and gear taken as said is for the recovery of the same, and in the relief of his own goods and gear to slay, hurt or mutilate any of the takers thereof, it is hereby expressly declared, statute and ordained that the said party harmed or his assisters and accomplices shall never be accusable of any such slaughter, mutilation or other hurt but as freely remitted and discharged in that behalf as if he had our sovereign lord’s special commission to that effect; and also ordains and declares that whatsoever persons shall happen hereafter to bear feud for any such slaughter, hurt or mutilation shall be subject to the pains and action above-written, and it shall be lawful to the party harmed to call and convene them, criminally or civilly at his option, for the said reives and oppressions in manner before specified.

Item, who brings any Scots or English thief in his company, openly or privately, to the king’s majesty’s court or burgh of Edinburgh, or requests for him to hold him back from the due punishment appointed by the law, without licence of the king, his lieutenant or warden, shall be subject to the action, criminal or civil, of him to whom the said thief has offended by theft or reive or be compelled for the same to redress as principal thief or reiver; and whatsoever English thieves shall come in any part of Scotland without licence of the king, his lieutenant or warden shall be taken and used as lawful prisoners; and whoever would avow such thieves to be their prisoners or brought in by them upon licences shall not keep them in company in the king’s court or palace or in the High Street, where his highness or his justice sit and remain, bearing weapons, but hold them in close houses, from their coming to their departing, under the pain to be reputed as favourers, fosterers and maintainers of thieves and theft and to be punished for that, according to the laws of the realm.

Item, it is statute and ordained that the justice clerk and his deputes and the king’s commissioners constituted to further justice, quietness and good rule in all shires shall diligently inquire and take up dittay of the takers up and payers of blackmail, and to make rental of the quantity thereof, and to pursue as well the takers as payers thereof at justice ayres or particular diets and do justice upon them according to the laws, and receive surety under great pains that they shall abstain in time coming.

Item, it is statute and ordained that the justice clerk shall twice in the year, namely, at 1 March and 1 September, procure the king’s majesty’s close valentines⁶ to be sent to the masters, landlords, bailies and chieftains of all notable villains and thieves, charging to present them either before his majesty’s self or before the justice and his deputes at the day and place to be appointed, to underlie the law, according to the laws and general bond and under the pains contained in the same; and to try what obedience be shown by the persons to whom the said valentines shall be directed; and in case of their contempt by undutiful answer to put themselves to the knowledge of an assize and administer justice upon them, according to the laws and general bond.

Item, since experience declares that the marriage of the king’s majesty’s subjects upon the daughters of the broken men and thieves of England is not only a hindrance to his majesty’s service and obedience but also to the common peace and quietness between both the realms, it is therefore statute and ordained by our sovereign lord and three estates of this present parliament that none of his subjects presume to take upon hand to marry with any English woman dwelling in the opposite marches without his highness’s express licence had and obtained to that effect under the great seal, under the pain of death and confiscation of all his goods moveable; and that this be a special point of dittay in time coming.

Item, it is statute and ordained that the wardens of the marches adjacent to England take diligent inquisition what Englishmen occupy any Scottish ground in pasturage or tillage, and they bill the persons, offenders, in that behalf against the treaties and seek redress according thereto as they will answer upon their allegiance, at their highest charge and peril and under the pain of incurring his highness’s indignation and displeasure.

Item, it is thought expedient, statute and ordained that all pledges received for the good rule and quietness of the borders shall be placed on the north side of the water of Forth, without exception or dispensation, and the pledges for the good rule of the highlands and isles to be placed on the south side of the same water of Forth; and that the justice clerk and his deputes, to whom the care of this order is committed, take special regard to the due execution hereof as they and every one of them will answer upon the execution of their offices.

Item, for relief of the landlord or bailie that shall happen to be charged for entry of his tenants or persons dwelling under his jurisdiction to underlie the law or to make redress, that he use warning and seek the order of removing against his tenants and occupiers of the ground and make them the king’s rebels within the space of 40 days after the next term, not receiving mails or duties from them in the meantime; wherein his diligence being tried and found good and sufficient by the king’s majesty and his privy council, or by his justice and his deputes, and that he performed all things that he could or that was in his power to do after the fact came to his knowledge, in that case he shall be relieved of the pain and danger of the law contained in this act.

Item, in case any landlord, bailie or chieftain of clan shall happen to be burdened with the taking and presenting to the justice of any malefactor, and that the same malefactor is fugitive from the law and refuses to relieve his landlord, bailie or chieftain, and that thereupon, according to the laws and general bond, they shall be constrained to burn the said disobedient person’s houses and to hold them, their wives and bairns off the ground, it is statute and ordained in that case that the said disobedient persons, their heirs, wives, bairns nor any others pretending right from them or by their death or occasion shall have any action, criminal of civil, for the said removing, burning or ejection, but shall be simply absolved from there and all that may follow thereupon, whenever or wherever the same shall be pursued.

Item, that such intervening persons as take upon them to be sellers of the goods of thieves or disobedient persons and clans that dare not come to public markets in lowlands themselves, whereby the execution of the acts made concerning thieves and sorners of clans is greatly impeded and defrauded, shall, for that deed, being tried culpable thereof, incur the pain of banishment and confiscation of all their goods moveable, the one half to our sovereign lord’s use and the other half to the party, apprehender and suiter.

⁷The roll of the names of the landlords and bailies of lands dwelling on the borders and in the highlands where broken men have dwelt and presently dwell

• Middle March

• [Francis Stewart], earl of Bothwell

• Laird of Ferniehirst

• [Archibald Douglas], earl of Angus

• Laird of Buccleuch

• Sheriff of Teviotdale

• Laird of Bedrule

• Laird of Wauchope

• [William Maxwell], lord Herries

• Laird of Howpasley

• George Turnbull of Hallrule

• Laird of Little Dean

• Laird of Drumlanrig

• The Laird of Chisholm

• West March

• [John Maxwell], lord Maxwell⁸

• The Laird of Drumlanrig

• The Laird of Johnstone

• The Laird of Applegarth

• The Laird of Holmends

• The Laird of Graitney

• [William Maxwell], lord Herries

• The Laird of Dunwoody

• The Laird of Lochinvar

Landlords and bailies

• Highlands and Isles

• [Ludovic Stewart], duke of Lennox

• [Sir George Buchanan], laird of Buchanan

• [Andrew MacFarlane], laird MacFarlane of the Arrochar

• [Humphrey Colquhoun], laird of Luss

• [Aulay MacAulay], laird MacAulay of Ardencaple

• [Archibald Napier], laird of Merchiston

• [John Haldane], laird of Gleneagles

• [James Cunningham], earl of Glencairn

• [John Cunningham], laird of Drumquhassle

• [James Galbraith], laird of Culcreuch

• [George Graham], tutor of Menteith

• [William Shaw], laird of Knockhill

• Harry Shaw of Cambusmoir

• [James Kinross], laird of Kippenross

• [Michael Balfour], laird of Burleigh

• [James Stirling], laird of Keir

• [Alexander Livingston], master of Livingston

• [James Stewart], lord Doune

• [Patrick Drummond], lord Drummond

• [John Murray], laird of Tullibardine

• [Duncan Campbell], laird of Glenorchy

• [John Campbell], laird of Lawers

• [James Menzies], laird of Weem

• [James Drummond], abbot of Inchaffray

• Colin Campbell of Ardbeg

• [Colin Campbell], laird of Glenlyon

• [John Stewart], earl of Atholl

• [Thomas Stewart], laird of Grandtully

• [Donald Robertson], laird of Struan Robertson

• [John Murray], laird of Strowan Murray

• [Wemyss], laird of Wester Wemyss

• [Thomas Scott], laird of Abbotshall

• [David Maxwell], laird of Tealing

• [Patrick Ogilvy], laird of Inchmartine

• [Thomas Fotheringham], laird of Powrie Fotheringham

• [William Moncreiffe], laird of Moncreiffe

• [James Stewart], laird of Ballechin

• [John MacDuff, alias Ferguson], baron of Fandowie

• [Francis Hay], earl of Erroll

• [James Ruthven], earl of Gowrie

• [Alexander Reidheuch], laird of Cultybraggan

• [James Ogilvy], lord Ogilvy

• [Alexander Ogilvy], laird of Clova

• [David Graham], laird of Fintry

• [David Lindsay], laird of Edzell

• [John Erskine], earl of Mar

• [Alexander Elphinstone], master of Elphinstone

• [George Gordon], earl of Huntly

• [John Forbes], master of Forbes

• [John Grant of Freuchie], laird of Grant

• [Lauchlan] MacIntosh [of Dunauchton]

• [Simon Fraser], lord and [Thomas Fraser of Knockie and Strichen], tutor of Lovat

• Chisholm of Cummer

• [Donald MacDonald], laird of Glengarry

• [Colin] MacKenzie [of Kintail]

• [Robert Munro], laird of Foulis

• [Alexander Ross], laird of Balnagowan

• [John Urquhart of Craigfintry and Culbo], tutor of Cromarty

• [Alexander Gordon], earl of Sutherland

• [William Sutherland], laird of Duffus

• James Innes of Touchis

• [George Sinclair], earl of Caithness

• [George Keith], earl Marischal

• [Lawrence Oliphant], lord Oliphant

• [Patrick Mowat], laird of Boquhally

• [William Sinclair], laird of Dunbeath

• [Hugh] MacKay of Farr

• Torquil MacLeod of Cogeache

• [John MacKenzie], laird of Gairloch

• [Malcolm] MacGillichallum of Raasay

• [William] MacLeod of Harris

• [Lauchlan] MacKinnon of Strathardle

• [Roderick] MacLeod of Lewis

• [Roderick] MacNeil of Barra

• [John] MacIan of Ardnamurchan

• Allan MacIan of Eilean Tioram

• [Alexander MacRanald], laird of Knoydart

• [Lauchlan] MacLean of Duart

• [Ewen MacLean], laird of Ardgour

• John Stewart of the Appin

• [Dougal] MacDougall of Lorne

• [Allan] MacDougall of Raray

• [Archibald Campbell], laird of Lochnell

• [John Campbell], laird of Cawdor

• [Robert Montgomery], laird of Skelmorlie, for Rachry

• [Dougal] MacConnachy of Inverawe

• Angus MacConnell of Dunyvaig and the Glens

• [Alexander MacAlister], laird of Loup

• [John Stewart], sheriff of Bute

• [Hector Bannatyne], laird of Kames

• [Archibald Campbell], earl of Argyll

• [Duncan Campbell], laird of Auchinbreck

• [James Campbell], laird of Ardkinglas

• [Malcolm] MacNaughton [of Dunderawe]

• [Archibald] MacLauchlan [of Strathlachlan]

• [James Lamont], laird of Lamont

• [Colin Campbell], laird of Perbrak

• [John Campbell], laird of Duntrune

• [James Scrimgeour of Dudhope], constable of Dundee, laird of Glassary

• [Colin Campbell], laird of Elangreg

• [Archibald Campbell], laird of Otter

• [Hector MacLean], laird of Coll

• [John] MacLean of Lochbuie

• [Murdoch] MacFee of Collowsay

• [John Hamilton], lord Hamilton

The roll of the clans that have captains, chiefs and chieftains whom on they depend, often times against the will of their landlords, as well on the borders as highlands, and of some special persons of branches of the said clans

• Middle March

• Elliotts

• Armstrongs

• Nicksons

• Crosiers

• West March

• Scotts of Ewesdale

• Batesons

• Littles

• Thomsons  – Thomesonis in the untranslated version

• Glendinnings

• Irvings

• Bells

• Carruthers

• Grahams

• Johnstons

• Jardines

• Moffats

• Latimers

• Highlands and Isles

• Buchanans

• MacFarlanes, Arrochar

• MacNabs

• Grahams of Menteith

• Stewart of Balquhidder

• Clan Gregor

• Clan Laren

• Campbells of Lochnell

• Campbells of Inverawe

• Clan Dowell of Lorne

• Stewart of Lorne or of Appin

• Clan MacKean of Ardvorlich

• Stewarts of Atholl and parts adjacent

• Clan Donachie in Atholl and parts adjacent

• Menzies in Atholl and Apnadull

• Clan MacThomas in Glenshee

• Fergusons

• Spaldings

• MacIntoshes in Atholl

• Clan Cameron

• Clan Ranald in Lochaber

• Clan Ranald of Knoydart, Moidart and Glengarry

• Clan Lewis of the Lewis

• Clan Leod of Harris

• Clan Neil

• Clan Kinnon

• Clan Ian

• Clan Chattan

• Grants

• Frasers

• Clan Kenzie

• Clan Andrew

• Munroes

• Murrays in Sutherland

1. NAS, PA2/13, ff.105r-108v.

2. ‘V.’ written in margin. Sections are numbered in APS, but not in the manuscript.

3. APS interpolation.

4. APS interpolation.

5. APS interpolation.

6. A writ naming wrongdoers. Overlords and masters, also named, were expected to apprehend them.

7. ‘V.P.’ written in margin.

8. This would appear to be John Maxwell, former earl of Morton, who resigned those lands in 1585, not William Maxwell, always styled Lord Herries..

 

 

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Scot-Irish migration to Arkansas took place throughout the nineteenth and twentieth centuries in three distinct settlements. Over the years, Irish residents of Arkansas have made their mark on the state, exemplified in organizations such as the  Irish Cultural Society of Arkansas.  About fifteen percent of Arkansans claim Irish or Scotch-Irish ancestry.

The first wave of Irish immigration concerned the Scotch-Irish (sometimes called Scots-Irish), who were descendants of eighteenth-century Ulster Protestant immigrants. The term Scotch-Irish acknowledges the seventeenth-century mass Scottish migration to Ireland’s northernmost province, Ulster—a migration that left indelible marks on the culture, including stark differences in religion and nationalistic attitudes that distinguished the Protestant, pro-British “Scotch-Irish” from their Catholic, Gaelic, and generally anti-British neighbors. Scotch-Irish immigrants to the United States had settled the mountainous backwoods of Appalachian Tennessee, Kentucky, and Virginia, as well as the Piedmont region of the Carolinas. With the explosion of the cotton economy in 1818, droves of white families from the eastern United States—including many descendants of the original Ulster Protestant migrants—scrambled to claim lands in the Southwest in the hopes of attaining fortune that “King Cotton” promised, while other families looked to those territories for any kind of economic opportunity. Thousands of settlers of Irish heritage migrated to the Arkansas territory; often seeking out land similar to their places of habitation back east, they gravitated predominantly toward the Ozark Mountains in the northwestern section of the territory, though some families built communities in the southern. Ouachita Mountain.

Author Russel L. Gerlach differentiated class groups among the Ulster Protestants, as well as Irish Protestants from the island’s southern provinces. He noted that the most sophisticated and affluent Protestant immigrants tended to be overrepresented among the planter classes found in the eastern Arkansas Delta, while “low-end Scotch-Irish” generally included semiliterate or illiterate “nomadic hunter and farmer types from various mountains.” The Ulster Protestants included several Christian denominations that are commonplace in present-day Arkansas. This initial wave of Irish immigrisants to Arkansas and their descendents maintained Ulster traditions in the mountain regions of the state, such as practicing stringently individualistic Protestantism, hunting, playing fiddle  music, performing “buck” or rhythmic step dancing, and making whiskey.

No doubt that many Scot Irish researchers will recognize their clan names here among the Native Americans with whom they intermarried in the Benton  County Arkansas area.

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